My Big, Fat Obnoxious Fiance
Can reality TV get any worse?
Yes.
Here we are with yet another show that thinks fat people are no more than a damn joke to laugh at. Why, a woman interested in a fat man? How could that ever be?
I wouldn't point this out except that reality TV is still fairly popular, and does nothing but reinforce negative stereotypes about all parties involved. But geez, even the site for this show is offensive: the show's title on a belt buckle around a growing stomach!
If anything needed a letter-writing campaign, this is it.
Yes.
Here we are with yet another show that thinks fat people are no more than a damn joke to laugh at. Why, a woman interested in a fat man? How could that ever be?
I wouldn't point this out except that reality TV is still fairly popular, and does nothing but reinforce negative stereotypes about all parties involved. But geez, even the site for this show is offensive: the show's title on a belt buckle around a growing stomach!
If anything needed a letter-writing campaign, this is it.
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Posted by paul on December 31, 2003| Dreama |
December 31st, 2003 | Link |
I didn't think that Fox
I didn't think that Fox could, on their entertainment side, fall any lower. Good grief.
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| laze |
December 31st, 2003 | Link |
When I saw the ads for this,
When I saw the ads for this, I commented, "This is the new low for reality programming." Not just offensive, but unoriginal and boring in concept and (surely) execution.
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| g.girl |
December 31st, 2003 | Link |
i can't believe that this is
i can't believe that this is actually happening. can someone please pinch me and wake me up?
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| Mary |
January 1st, 2004 | Link |
I'm fascinated to see what
I'm fascinated to see what horrifies the bride's family more: his weight or his behavior. (Well, I would be fascinated if I thought I could actually bear to watch it.) What would have been more interesting is if they picked a stereotypically "gorgeous" man with horrible behavior, to see if the family tried to forgive his behavior.
My letter's on the way.
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| EmilyH |
January 1st, 2004 | Link |
This is going to be kind of
This is going to be kind of a long post.
I nearly died in a fire just before Christmas
because my housemate committed suicide. No, he was not fat. No, we weren't "together", but that doesn't matter.
The point is, in the end, it won't matter how much we weighed or what we look like. It won't matter what size we wore or what foods we ate.
What will matter is how we treat other people, and if we happen to fall in love with someone along the way, it should not matter what they look like. Life is far too short to be judgemental. If everyone would figure that out, the world would be a far better place. It's sad that so many people still haven't learned that, and they probably won't in this lifetime.
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| turtlegrrl |
January 1st, 2004 | Link |
Emily, I am so sorry about
Emily, I am so sorry about the loss of your friend. You are right, what counts is what & who we are as people, what is in our hearts & souls, &, when we are fortunate enough to find real love, we need to nurture & protect the love & cherish & appreciate the loved one, & what we or our loved ones look like is not important. It IS sad that most people cannot understand this, & that so much of our culture seems to be constantly going for the lowest common denominator, & that our media encourages stupidity, cruelty, & superficialty. My best wishes to you, Emily, in this time of sadness, & my wishes for everyone in the New Year for health, happiness, love, & for more people to wake up & see reality...not the idiocy shown on tv, but the true reality of real people with their real lives, & real values.
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| butch |
January 2nd, 2004 | Link |
Well, back to My Big Fat
Well, back to My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance: It can't be any worse of a show than Trista and Ryan's wedding. And hey, what do you expect from Fox?
Masterpiece Theater?
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| irish red |
January 2nd, 2004 | Link |
When I saw the commercial
When I saw the commercial for this, I sincerely sat through the whole thing waiting for the Energizer Bunny to go pounding his way across the bottom of the screen. Disgusting.
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| antidieter |
January 2nd, 2004 | Link |
emily I am sorry for the
emily I am sorry for the loss, suicide, what a way to die!!!! to be so sad one doesn't want to live anymore, that makes me cry.
depression is a serious problem in this world and it will only get worse.
I don't watch reality tv, in fact I am getting sick of watching to much tv, especially the news with it's bias and half truths and whole lies, all in the name of manipulating people's minds and actions to suit their wants.
it is a shame that discrimmination against fat people is condone on tv.
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| Kizzume |
January 3rd, 2004 | Link |
Gay people on TV still act
Gay people on TV still act very stereotypical, but it's gotten better--less stereotypical--over the years. It's taking a while, and gay people are still not represnted realisticly.
It seems it will take a lot longer for fat people to be represented realisticly because so much of the advertising is from pharmeceutical companies or some product within the diet industry.
In order to show fat people realisticly, the stations would have to take the chance of losing their advertisers by not promoting a mindset that makes people want to buy (that's what TV is about--this is what IS funny, this is what IS sad, this is what IS important, this is what IS unimportant, this is what you should buy, and this is why there are laugh tracks)--especially if something on the show directly helps people be interested in those products advertised during that particular time slot.
Considering Rumsfeld was the president of Searle (the company that discovered Nutrisweet [aspartame] by somebody licking fingers after handling a drug designed for ulcers)--Rumsfeld was responsible for reversing the FDA's block of aspartame (blocked because it caused tumors and holes in brain tissue and seizures in lab monkeys) by firing the head of the FDA and bringing in his own hand picked choice as the head of the FDA after he became part of the Reagan administration, and now he's part of the Bush Jr. administration with continued close ties to the pharmeceutical industry. Bush just gave the pharmeceutical industry a big boost--now we'll see pharmeceutical drugs more than ever.
Being that this is the scenario, it doesn't seem likely that there will be a lul in pharmaceutical advertising anytime soon--especially since drugs are unfortunately some of the few things that we actually make here anymore. Say no to drugs but here take this pill.
If you can find stations that don't have ANY drug commercials or weight loss commercials, you may have a chance of making some change by stating your voice. If anyone can figure out which stations don't show those kinds of commercials, it'd be cool if they were posted here.
The only stations I can think of are ones don't show commercials for products at all: Showtime or HBO, and maybe PBS.
Otherwise, we just have to wait. Eventually, the more fat people there are on TV--whether stereotypical or not--the less stereotypical future characters will become.
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| paul |
January 3rd, 2004 | Link |
Great comment, Kizzume.
I'll
Great comment, Kizzume.
I'll be happy to point out that HBO is also the network that will air the series based on Good in Bed, so perhaps there's something there....
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| Mary |
January 3rd, 2004 | Link |
I'm not holding my breath on
I'm not holding my breath on "Good In Bed." According to the article I read, HBO signed a 12 month option on the material... 12 months ago. January 8th, to be exact.
And whoever said that the Sex In The City writer was a good choice because she's a large woman, the author of the book describes her as "wee".
I know I'm negative on this point, but I can't think of a worse choice than a writer from that show adapting this book.
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| paul |
January 3rd, 2004 | Link |
Mary, you've mentioned that
Mary, you've mentioned that already. No need to retread it here.
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| Dreama |
January 4th, 2004 | Link |
She's "wee" because she's
She's "wee" because she's 5'0" not because she's a size 0. More like a 12/14. But that's a retread too.
Anyway, Kizzume mentioned gay characters on television and how their portrayals are stereotypical, and that is true. The thing about it is that in most cases, gay characters on television are being portrayed by straight actors, working from scripts by straight writers under the guidance of straight directors. (See: Will & Grace and Six Feet Under as prime examples, and even Queer as Folk, though not the same extent.) If what we were seeing was a real representation of gays by gays, it'd be a very different thing.
Contrast that with what we're seeing in this show -- this is a real fat guy, taking part in this charade and setting himself up as a subject of ridicule, presumably because he's being well paid to do so. This, to him, is more important than the fact that he's reinforcing every possible negative stereotype about fat people and the fat, sloppy guy especially. In short, he's selling out.
This is something that actors from every other minority have had to deal with and have, for the most part, come to recognize as unacceptable. One day fat actors will get it too. Or so we can hope.
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| Terri |
January 5th, 2004 | Link |
Kizzume, I haven't seen any
Kizzume, I haven't seen any diet or weight-loss ads on the Disney channel either, so add that to your list.
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| butch |
January 6th, 2004 | Link |
TechTV (on cable) never has
TechTV (on cable) never has ads for diet products or even food for that matter. It's one of my favorite networks.
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| docofoto |
January 6th, 2004 | Link |
Wow...this show does seem
Wow...this show does seem sleezy. Then again, I haven't owned a TV for years so I would know what counts as trash TV anymore.
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| Godzilla |
January 9th, 2004 | Link |
I don't understand what the
I don't understand what the big deal is about this show. I'm a hefty man and I'm not offended at all. So what? He's a fat guy? Based on the previews I've seen he's also very funny. Some would say I have a weird sense of humor, but I find obnoxiousness very funny. Watch the show to laugh, not to make political judgements, that's what it's on TV for.
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| Godzilla |
January 9th, 2004 | Link |
PS. I love TechTV too, but
PS. I love TechTV too, but I only watch The Screen Savers and Call for Help. The Call4Help-a-thon on the 26th was great.
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| paul |
January 9th, 2004 | Link |
Watch the show to laugh, not
Watch the show to laugh, not to make political judgements, that's what it's on TV for.
Ah, so because it's on TV, it's all right to make fun of fat people? Is that it?
So many people are apt to give TV shows such as this a free pass because it's "just TV." But the problem is that TV is a very powerful medium and arguably the strongest one there is. Any TV show that is ready to flaunt negative stereotypes about fat people deserves to be sussed out.
You don't really see many shows on TV anymore where women are subordinate to men in the home, like I Love Lucy, do you? How do you think that came about? I'm sure there were a number of people who thought that was okay, but especially as time went on, more people realized that there was something wrong with the way TV was portraying women.
While things aren't perfect today, they're a hell of a lot better. Most importantly, it didn't happen through a series of "free passes" from people. No, Godzilla, I'm not going to laugh at this. If you want to, that's fine, but understand that you're only helping Fox say that it's all right to make fun of fat people on a national level any time they want.
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| Godzilla |
January 14th, 2004 | Link |
Your "I Love Lucy" comment
Your "I Love Lucy" comment is meaningless and unrelated. You forget that at the time these shows were on television (Leave it to Beaver, Happy Days, a lot of older television shows come to mind) family life was actually like that. A majority of women assumed the housewife role while the husband "brought home the bacon." Times have changed and television has changed with it.
Also, I don't feel I'm giving anybody a free pass. I haven't seen anything in the previews that directly made fun of fat people. You say that they make the point that a woman like that would never be with a fat guy. You no what? For the most part, they're right. I'm a fat guy and I'm not married to a super-model, maybe you are? They show him dancing in his underwear (hilarious in my opinion) and being rude with bodily functions. This is because he's being obnoxious, not because he's fat.
Don't take this as a personal attack, but I think most of your argument revolves around insecurity. I am a fat guy, I'm married to a fat woman, and we have two kids who will probably be fat too. We're also very happy. I couldn't care less what society thinks of me, I have enough friends. If you think less of yourself because you're fat, you're no better than the people who "flaunt negative stereotypes" in the national forum.
When a person truly loves themself, they can watch shows like this and see it as entertainment. Television stations do not put fat people on TV to attack you personally.
I will be watching the show and if it's as funny as the previews make it look, I will be laughing. HARD.
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| paul |
January 14th, 2004 | Link |
When a person truly loves
When a person truly loves themself, they can watch shows like this and see it as entertainment. Television stations do not put fat people on TV to attack you personally.
You're the person who believes that I see this show as a personal attack. I see it as an attack against fat people in general. A difference of opinion is fine, but calling me insecure? Not so fine.
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| paul |
January 15th, 2004 | Link |
All right. Godzilla had a
All right. Godzilla had a post here deleted, and accused me of being immature. (I then told him how good I am at jumping jacks and drinking Kool-Aid.) I'm going to put on my flame-retardant suit and jump in.
Times have changed and television has changed with it.
My point is that we now look at shows such as "I Love Lucy" with a certain set of glasses on; we acknowledge that the times were different, and that's why I said a show such as that really wouldn't fly now. As you say yourself, the times have changed.
What I'm getting at is that with shows such as MBFOF (great acronym!), it's my hope that people can look at this now and see why it's driving ugly, disturbing stereotypes. In your posts, you've made it clear that you don't see those reasons. You see it as funny.
I see it as offensive, and it seems like others here do too, because he is fat. What if he wasn't fat? "My Obnoxious Fiance" would just be another random show with a guy who is uncooth. But because he's fat, and so many people have these thoughts in their heads about what fat people are (did you read that article Ms. Saar wrote?!) this is a bad thing.
I haven't seen anything in the previews that directly made fun of fat people.
The making fun of his chest size didn't do it? Making fun of his stomach? Shaking his butt in the camera? Burping? Belching? Showing his buttcrack? None of this made you cringe at all?
They show him dancing in his underwear (hilarious in my opinion) and being rude with bodily functions. This is because he's being obnoxious, not because he's fat.
Then why make him fat at all? Why not just make him obnoxious? By making him fat, all FOX is doing is saying, "Yes, we know that he's obnoxious - oh, and he's fat too," as a negative thing. These negative things only make it harder for people outside the movement to ignore his size; it preys on their ideas about fat people and exploits them. HARD.
I think it's great that you're happy. I am, too. It's hard not to take offense at someone new coming here, posting his first messages and saying that we're all "wrong" - truthfully, that's no different from someone on a diet coming here and telling us, "This one will work." Your opinion is your opinion, but making broad statements won't help your arguments any.
One can love one's self and still point out injustices and discrimination in this world. Do you think that, say, Martin Luther King, Jr. hated himself? Gandhi? Rosa Parks? These people had the courage of conviction to put things right where they saw wrongs (a little like Sam Beckett.) That's what we're trying to do here.
If you don't agree with that, again, fine. But stirring up a hornet's nest in the method you did is a lot like trolling. And calling the site's owner immature is never a good thing.
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| paul |
January 15th, 2004 | Link |
Aaand...
It seems like you
Aaand...
It seems like you just came over from Television Without Pity (a great site,) posted a comment, and didn't read any of the rules here. If you did - great. But if you didn't, please do so.
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| Godzilla |
January 16th, 2004 | Link |
Before I begin to respond, I
Before I begin to respond, I wanna publicly apologize. I did not intend to personally attack you, but I can see how you could take it that way. I humbly apologize. Also, I had not read the FAQ and rules and had no idea that you were the owner here. Not that that excuses it, everybody else deserves the same respect. With that said...
"The making fun on his chest size didn't do it?..."
I gotta be honest, I was completely ready to totally disagree with you, but then I stopped and thought for awhile. If that had been an average weighted person, doing the same thing, I probably wouldn't have found it as funny.
"...None of this made you cringe at all?"
Nope. Like I said, though, people tell me that I have a strange sense of humor.
"It's hard not to take offense at someone new coming here..."
I wasn't saying that you were 'wrong', just that our opinions differ. Television is just not a determining factor in my life. I see black people stereotyped constantly on television, but that doesn't make me think that all black people are uneducated thugs. I see jewish people stereotyped contantly, but that doesn't make me think all jewish people I meet are money-grubbers. I see indians (from india, not american indians, although american indians could apply to this argument also) portrayed as thick-accented quickie mart owners constantly, but I don't see them that way in real life. See my point?
For me personally, television is fantasy and is completely seperated from real life. I have friends from all of these groups (except for indians, although I had an indian friend in high school) who are nothing like the sterotype represented on television. I think any intelligent viewer can seperate fact from fiction and not carry it over to real life. Now, you could say that a majority of american viewers aren't very bright and WILL be swayed by stereotyping on television and you might be right.
"did you read the article Ms. Saar wrote?!"
Nope. I did a BFB search and a google search looking for it and don't see anything that pertains. Can you post a link? I'll be glad to take a look.
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| paul |
January 16th, 2004 | Link |
Thanks for sticking around,
Thanks for sticking around, Godzilla. (I never thought I'd address a movie character in that way!)
Ms. Saar's article is linked in this entry, and I think it draws a nice parallel between something like this show and the public perception of fat people.
And I fully understand your perspective on television; I even agree with it, as I suspect many people here do. But the concern are the viewers that don't share that perspective - plus, too, what about kids? While I don't expect little kids to be watching this show, they're a little more impressionable, and there's the off-chance they'll see this ad and associate fat with negativity.
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| Stefanie |
January 17th, 2004 | Link |
Another reason this show is
Another reason this show is bad, which hasn't been mentioned:
I for one think the bigger male body type is *attractive.* (I'm married to a BHM - "big handsome man.") When a big man is shown as an obnoxious fool *because* of his size, in a way it's like saying that *liking* bigger men is also a weird, deviant thing - who could *like* someone like that, or see him as let's say a romantic lead, as opposed to a joker?
This may not have much of an effect on little kids, but on teens and youth it could be very negative. Certainly fat young men don't need the message that they're automatically obnoxious and disgusting to women because of their size.
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| Kizzume |
January 20th, 2004 | Link |
I have to agree with
I have to agree with Godzilla's last post.
What is humor? It's ranking on something--always, and usually on stereotypes. It's ranking on individual people, groups of people, language, religion, patterns of history, or patterns of society as a whole, but it's always ranking on something.
Shows with humor that rank on politics, history, and societal patterns can have their own set of people getting angry at them. The most taboo one to rank on the the U.S. is religion, but the Simpsons pulls it off regularly.
I personally find canned laughter to be MUCH MUCH more offensive than just about any stereotype any network could broadcast. It's one thing to promote a stereotype, it's another to tell people that it's supposed to be funny.
How about the humor in In Living Color or Mad TV? If we're going to talk about stereotypes, those shows use/d more stereotypes than anything I can think of. Yet, I haven't seen people getting bent out of shape over those shows, at least anymore: In Living Color was quite controversial when it first aired.
If shows are to be trying to portray things realisticly and are claiming to be "accurate" and are not primarily comedies, that's one thing, and I think people should complain like crazy in those cases. This is not one of those cases. As far as comedy, at least AT THIS TIME I don't think we should take these stereotypes so seriously. Like I said earlier, in time these things will change, but it is a slow process. The only thing I don't like about that change, however, is the possibility of it turning into full blown censorship in the attempt to make everything politically correct.
We need to give the networks a reason to put shows that are more fat-positive on. If we complain about shows that make them a lot of money, the complaints won't be heard whatsoever--they want their money. If we give them the idea that people will actually watch shows that are fat-positive, there may be more of a chance of having more varied characters within their show lineups (providing it's a station that doesn't get most of its money from drug companies and the diet industry as I said earlier)--but this asks another question:
How DO we want fat people to be portrayed in comedies? Seriously--what are "appropriate" character flaws for fat people in comedies? It seems nobody can be sloppy, lazy, clumsy, rediculously happy, or overly jokeful. I realize that my wording could be taken as being sarchastic, but I'm actually quite serious. We talk about "fat-positive" characters, but what does that actually mean? Everyone has character flaws--you can't have a comedy without character flaws.
BTW, thank you to those that mentioned channels (disney and techtv) that don't advertise weightloss product. :)
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| Kizzume |
January 20th, 2004 | Link |
I'm still just happy that
I'm still just happy that there are fat people on TV at all, making their way into TV more and more. It's much better than the alternative where every show is like Friends or Baywatch.
TV could be SO much worse as far as that goes.
For me, the more large bellies with skin showing every-so-often (or all the time ) on tv the better. I'm disappointed that there aren't really any fat wrestlers anymore--I haven't watched wrestling in 10 years because of it. LOL--it's probably due to people complaining too much about how poorly fat people were being portrayed.
Since the issue of how we "want" fat people to be portrayed is such a complex issue and since so much of television is supported by the diet industry, to make any changes for the positive it would probably be best to encourage the TV networks to KEEP putting out shows with fat people in them, even like MBFAF, just so we can have more fat characters in general on TV--whether most of the characters are complete bafoons or are smelly or messy or eat all the time or not: The more fat people that are on tv, the more chance that fat characters may have main roles on more serious programs or movies in the future because hollywood and the networks could no longer claim that people don't want to see fat people since by that time they'd be on so many shows.
There's strength in numbers, and in this case the numbers that matter are the number of fat people on shows in general.
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| Miste |
January 21st, 2004 | Link |
Hmm, I've been reading this
Hmm, I've been reading this and I probably have an entirely different vew from anyone else here.
Before I say anything else, since I am new here it might be wise for me to pledge that I am not predjudiced at ALL to practicly anyone. I don't give a damn about looks.
My father is fat, has been fat for years, and will probably be fat for the rest of his life. Who cares?
Anyways, please do not jump on the actor. How must it feel to him, to be portrayed as this fat guy. I actually don't think Steve is that fat at all, people.
In 'reality', Steve is a VERY, VERY nice man.
He is trying to make his way in the acting world, do you think he LIKES being an obnoxious guy on a reality T.V. show?
He is a trained Shakespearen actor, for God's sake!
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| paul |
January 21st, 2004 | Link |
He is a trained Shakespearen
He is a trained Shakespearen [sic] actor, for God's sake!
That's great, and I'm really glad for him. But he still comes off looking like every stereotype in the book on this show.
Frankly, too, he could have chosen to not do this show. I'm sure no one forced him to do so. My only hope is that he's getting a truckload of money to do it.
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| Sparki |
January 27th, 2004 | Link |
While i am offended by the
While i am offended by the portrayal of the large man as a buffoon rather than a gentleman, for me the entertainment is, will they go through with the stunt without Randi's folks finding out it's a stunt? I'd want to know that regardless of the man's bodily contours.
BTW, I was romantically involved with a generously-dimensioned Spanish caballero who was as dashing and romantic as Zorro (no fair making remarks about his "sword!")and I thought he looked adorable. Unfortunately, he passed away in a car crash while visiting me (we met online and he lived in Puerto Rico)so Stefanie, I am on your side. I am not into large men exclusively, I have dated large men, slim men, "average" men and I think handsome comes in all shapes and sizes.
I do think they could have selected a slimmer guy for the show and made him act obnoxious, but for me, the question is, WILL THEY PULL OFF THE STUNT?
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| searching_ |
January 27th, 2004 | Link |
I don't usually watch
I don't usually watch reality shows but I like this show. I have no doubt people find it offensive, but to me it's not Steve who is obnoxious or offensive but Randi. If Steve had been one of the ten men she had to choose from she would have turned her nose up at him. The look on her face when she first saw him was full of disgust. To me that was obnoxious. Looks aren't what are important but the person which unfortunatelly is something I have a feeling is something Radi knows nothing about.
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| ebr |
January 31st, 2004 | Link |
I have read this thread
I have read this thread pretty well and there are a few things I don't quite understand...
You know there is something called a remote. If you are offended by a program all you have to do is change the station. WHy are people criticizing a show on a network notorious for such kinds of stereotypes? FOX has always had programs of this nature? You want to see something bad? Watch COP, 100 times worse than this show, which portrays blacks and hispanics as thugs.
Also, if you'd take the time and watched it, this show generally has very little to do with the man's weight. I've watched it a few times and it seemed to me they were actually making fun of the woman more. WHile Steve has a blast playing the obnoxious guy, the girl and her narrow minded family become the laughingstalk of everybody as they are generally disgusted at everything he does. These people are not portrayed as being admirable; they are more likely looked down upon in my opinion. Therefore it doesn't seem to register with me that fat people are being made fun of.
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| paul |
January 31st, 2004 | Link |
ebr: You know there is
ebr: You know there is something called a remote. If you are offended by a program all you have to do is change the station.
You can feel free to turn off something offensive, but that's a bit of inaction, isn't it? Instead of calling it out, just ignore it? That won't get us anywhere.
WHy [sic] are people criticizing a show on a network notorious for such kinds of stereotypes? FOX has always had programs of this nature? [sic]
That doesn't mean it's right, or acceptable.
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| Kizzume |
February 1st, 2004 | Link |
Although some of my posts
Although some of my posts may not be very politically correct, I AM definately part of the fat acceptance movement, but I am NOT for censorship. When there are legal things being done against fat people, those are the real times to stand up and be heard, not when a comedy that's supposed to be offensive is shown on a network notorious for having brash programming.
Should everyone in every circle who is offended at anything in purposely-brash comedy skits complain to the networks too? They're TRYING to offend everyone! That's the whole point of the show--to offend people. Should we try to stop "offensive" shows?
If fox hasn't been right in airing shows of this nature in the past as well as now, then what type of comedy IS acceptable for a them to show? Shows like Leave it to Beaver? Doug? A&E's biographies--oh never mind, that's not a comedy. PBS telethons--oops, that humerous comment was offensive to public television broadcasters. Captain Planet--oops referring to that as a comedy is offensive to environmental organizations.
Please describe humor that cannot be offensive to anybody.
If you rank on language you have people offended. If you rank on hair you have people offended. If you rank on stereotyipcal housewives you have people offended. If you rank on the way someone walks, or moves, or gets drunk, or gets high you have people offended. Religion, politics, the way products are made, products themselves, toilets, fart sounds, science, ANYTHING--SOMEONE is going to be offended. If one tries to be just completely nonsensical silly, people who take things too literally will be offended because they tried to read way too much into something that was jibberish to begin with--so even total silliness is out the window if you don't want to offend someone. All humor is ranking on something--if you or anyone here can describe humor that isn't ranking on something and/or couldn't offend someone, please post what kind of subject it is.
If this was a newsanchor or a journalist in a news report, or a show that's supposed to be like ER or something but made every single fat person on it act like a farting belching smelly a**h*** slob, but mainly if it wasn't an over-the-top trying-to-be-offensive comedy I could see complaining, but since it IS what it is, I don't see where if we complained and it was cancelled or if other shows as brash towards whatever subject were forever cancelled in the future how we would be any more ahead in society than we are currently. We can't sanitize comedy television without putting television programming in general under full government control, where everybody loses except politicians.
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| paul |
February 1st, 2004 | Link |
So, is the movement (in
So, is the movement (in general) at a point where we should "allow" fat humor because everyone in the nation is comfortable with the idea of fat acceptance?
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| paul |
February 1st, 2004 | Link |
A few other thoughts.
The
A few other thoughts.
The comments here took a nosedive the minute that a spammer linked up this page as an entire blog about the show, which means you get people coming here, registering, posting drivel, and then leaving.
These same people are posting wordy, blowhardy defenses of a reality show. Read that again. It's a reality show. If you come away from BFB thinking that all the fat acceptance movement wants is to "censor" shows such as this, then you really need to take another look around.
As always, though, there will be people who will judge an entire site by one post, or one comment. That's inevitable, but it doesn't make it any less sad.
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| Kizzume |
February 2nd, 2004 | Link |
It's a practical joke show.
It's a practical joke show. An extended practical joke show. It would be considered a comedy.
Since you don't like the show, what do you think should be done about it if not censoring it or removing it? Do you want a similar precedence to be made over future shows as well?
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| Kizzume |
February 3rd, 2004 | Link |
Currently, the letter
Currently, the letter writing campaign for this show states "I am asking you to reconsider airing this show, and strongly suggest you redesign your website." That is clearly asking them to censor or drop the show completely.
The idea of a network flat-out dropping a "reality" show for ANY reason is rediculous, since no group of any people for any cause has been able to do this. The only group of people that even come close to having that power is the religious right-wing, who have stopped many series from ever being aired, but not once a "reality" or "practical joke" show. A group like ours can only affect what shows will be shown in the future.
It does NOTHING to tell them what we don't like if we're not telling them what the alternatives should or could be. The heads of tv networks are generally not very creative, they always count on what's been done in the past as a base of what to do in the future--they don't like taking chances. They're not going to even try working with ideas that they believe nobody wants to see. We need to prove to them that people WANT to see something else.
I wish there could be something else included in the form letter to FOX, but I wish even more that the letter could be replaced completely with something like:
"I appreciate any shows that have fat characters in them. I appreciate even more when those characters are not made to be extremely stereotypical. I would love to see more shows with non-stereotyipcal fat characters in them. Currently, 'My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance' is not one of those shows. I believe that FOX is capable of producing much higher quality programs than MBFOF--like most of FOX's other shows."
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| Kizzume |
February 3rd, 2004 | Link |
"So, is the movement (in
"So, is the movement (in general) at a point where we should "allow" fat humor because everyone in the nation is comfortable with the idea of fat acceptance?"
Yes. 'Cause if we get to ban fat stereotypes, then everyone else gets to ban the stereotypes they don't like, and then what is comedy? We'd be stuck with "Why did the chicken cross the road?" and "That was no old lady, that was my wife!" jokes.
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| paul |
February 4th, 2004 | Link |
Kizzume, your lack of
Kizzume, your lack of positivity is sad to me. The other thing to note is that every Campaign has a fully editable letter; people can feel free to send in whatever they desire. I'm not going to replace my letter, because in part I wrote it and like it, but you can feel free to change yours.
That said, I strongly disagree with your position on fat jokes as well. I'm not a humorless person, as anyone who knows me will attest, but the point is that we're still too close to fat hatred to allow fat jokes.
All said though, I will say that humor is subjective. If you disagree, that's fine with me, but I also really dislike when people place something as important as fat acceptance in the "too PC!" camp simply because some criticize jokes.
This post no longer accepts comments. I want to apologize to regulars here for this, but frankly this discussion ran its course. I'm closing it because of the proliferation of "one comment" folks, and the aforementioned link by a spammer.
The "one comment" folks are people, mostly aged 13-16 (who are not allowed to join BFB by the guidelines,) posting three to four well-meaning but tough-to-decipher paragraphs defending this show. BFB is not a blog about this show. Again: BFB is not a blog about this show. The link you read is wrong.
Thanks for your understanding on this. Anyone posting off-topic comments in other posts about this show will have those comments deleted immediately. Thanks.
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