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Out of the Mouths of Babes

Funny - for all the talk I've heard about generations of kids becoming more accepting of others racially and sexually, there's very little out there that has suggested they've become more open to size diversity.

Take for instance this article from Longview, WA's Daily News. They polled 533 students about food, fat, and the like.

The largest number of students, however, identified obesity as a self-perpetuated problem caused by laziness. These students were the most likely to use words such as "gross" or "sickening."

"It's stupid that people don't have enough self control to stay healthy," one teen said.

"It is just another word for fat," wrote another. "And people are just more lazy now. As a result, they are fat."

Using language common to many replies, a teen said, "It's disgusting that there's so many fat people in the world. It really grosses me out when I see it."

Now, the comments run the spectrum. Some are aware that too much of an emphasis on fat could cause kids to develop eating disorders. But there's a lot of misinformation out there amongst these comments. The stereotype that fat people are lazy and/or out of control is still out there.

Interesting:

A whopping 480 of [those surveyed] never or only sometimes pay attention to media reports on nutrition. ... When they answered an open question about news on obesity, however, some said it makes a difference. ... One teen said a lot of the news is true, "but I believe some of it is just to scare us." Another wrote, "new studies are out all the time and it's hard to know what to believe."

So how do we collectively talk with kids and teens about fat acceptance and fat equality? I think we need to bring it into the discussion within the context of accepting all people, no matter what their backgrounds are. I'd like to hear your ideas, as well.

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BabySeal January 20th, 2007 | Link | On at least one occasion, a
On at least one occasion, a child that could not honestly be more than 4 years old, pointed to me and exclaimed "What a fatso!". I was stunned - not by being called a fatso, I've heard the name all my life and can deal with it by now - but by hearing a child that young say it with such utter convinction. The woman with him, his mother, presumably, did not react in any way. For one moment I wanted to blurt out "So young and already so steeped in prejudice? My compliments to his parents!", but I thought better of it since a child that age usually repeats what he hears at home, and if their parents were so ignorant as to expose him to bigotry at such a young age, my remark would probably have accomplished nothing but earning the kid a spanking or something. So... I really think we should target the parents, doctors and teachers, more than the kids themselves, as kids are sponges and they absorb what is transmitted to them by their environment, rather than making an indipendent opinion.
GiniLiz January 20th, 2007 | Link | 480 never or only sometimes
480 never or only sometimes pay attention to media reports on nutrition? I think they meant "480 indicated that they never or only sometimes..." Survey questions about what we pay attention to are practically worthless. I do think that correcting news media bias will influence children - especially news reports on nutrition that are, for some God-only-knows-why reason, accompanied by info on an "obesity epidemic" and pictures of faceless fat people. They are in the same room as the news media when it is on TV or on the radio, and they also encounter headlines when surfing the internet. As for directly addressing fat with kids and teens, sure, we should add it to the list of human diversity issues to discuss. But importantly, we have to teach the adults, because they are the ones who make or allow the anti-fat comments at home, let the media go uncriticized, etc. Home-reinforcement is critical when we're dealing with such a pervasive bias. Finally, I think we need to consider peer-advocacy influences with kids we identify as receptive. Kids can be fat allies, especially those who have fat loved ones. Why not equip them with some of the wonderful info we have (such as facts to challenge stereotypes)? Some kids can be amazing when it comes to understanding a justice issue and then standing up to their peers (and teachers and media and doctors and...)
Meowzer January 20th, 2007 | Link | Wow, BabySeal, you showed
Wow, BabySeal, you showed admirable restraint. Did the child say this in English or in Italian? Just curious. Me, I'd be tempted, if a little kid said that to me, to answer, "Yes! And you know what that means? I can bounce higher on a trampoline than just about anybody!" As for the kids in this story, my guess is that they simply haven't been exposed to enough fat people from different walks of life to know any differently. My attitudes wouldn't have been much different from theirs at that age, sadly enough; I'd have been likely to have said, as a teenager, "Yeah, I'm overweight [sic], but that's because I can't control my appetite!"
goddess January 20th, 2007 | Link | I think the big stumbling
I think the big stumbling block here might be the backwardness of the adult world and how entrenched it is in fat hatred. How can a person teach tolerance of larger-sized people when that person believes fatness is immoral, irresponsible, a sign of weak character, unhealthy, etc.? Won't the typical fat-phobic adult be utterly conflicted, wanting to teach children how not to get fat and at the same time helping them to see that fat people are "okay?" Not all that long ago, men of learning were convinced that science had proven people of African heritage to be of inferior intelligence. Today, most men of learning will tell you that fat people are to be pitied and then used as examples of how not to live. Perhaps we can design educational programs to reach children. But who will be there to reinforce the concepts when we leave?
Meowzer January 20th, 2007 | Link | It would help a lot if fat
It would help a lot if fat people themselves would quit apologizing for being fat and blaming their "bad behavior" for their body habiti. Probably a lot of these kids have parents or other relatives or family friends who have made disparaging comments about their size and how "bad" they are for being that way and not "doing more about it." I can tell you that when I was a kid I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about someone who was proud of their large body the way it was, or at least who considered it no big deal to be fat.
Meowzer January 20th, 2007 | Link | I meant of course to say,
I meant of course to say, "who have made disparaging comments about their own size." Just in case that was unclear.
trinagirl January 20th, 2007 | Link | I was tormented from second
I was tormented from second grade through eighth. I transferred schools at the end of first grade and at my new school, the kids were really mean. I didn't even know I was 'fat' until I got to the other school. Prior to that I was chubby, pleasantly plump *eye roll* Its true what they say, kids can be cruel. An earlier poster said children are sponges, which is so true. If they watch TV with their parents or hear their parents on the phone talking about someone being fat or big as a house, how are they to know that it is wrong to talk about people? Children learn by example...
pani113 January 20th, 2007 | Link | I have to say that I find
I have to say that I find many in the younger generation far more accepting of their own bodies and others than those represented in that survey. Here in Chicago I see lots of girls of all shapes and sizes dating. I am also hearing roaring approval of the ban on thin models.(I am a college instructor and come into contact with younger folks daily.) Without trying to minimize the intensity of fat hatred in this society, I am wondering how regional it is? I am also wondering who sponsored this study? It is January where they drag out every last weapon they have in their antifat arsenal to make us run to Weight Watchers and Jenny Craig.
tarahj65 January 20th, 2007 | Link | pani113, I've found the same
pani113, I've found the same thing here in New York. I work on a college campus and while we definitely have a population of students with eating disorders, we also have an ever growing population of students who are unapologetically fat, and they don't seem to be bothered by it. I wish when I was their age I felt good enough about my body to wear the cute short shirts and skirts. When I was their age I was wearing long pants and long sleeved shirts when it was 90 degrees out. So while fat hatred is bad...awful, I wonder sometimes if the hysteria is in response to the fact that there are more of us out there and there are more people who are unapologetically fat. Similar to this situation where there are more bigots frantically fighting LGBT rights because homosexuals are more visible, out and accepted than at any time before. Ok, maybe I'm reaching, but you never know.... peace, Tara
BabySeal January 21st, 2007 | Link | "Wow, BabySeal, you showed
"Wow, BabySeal, you showed admirable restraint. Did the child say this in English or in Italian? Just curious." Meowzer, the kid said it in Italian. It happened in my hometown.
nellicat January 22nd, 2007 | Link | My son and daughter will
My son and daughter will most likely grow up in naturally thin bodies - they've inherited their dad's body type so it is highly unlikely that they'll ever be fat. Their dad, unfortunately, is very fat-phobic. Most of the members of my family are fat, and his disdain for them is only too clear. However, my daughter (now 5) had a wonderful teacher, Barb, who is quite big. Whenever the issue of "fat people" comes up, N says "Barb is fat!" I agree, Barb is fat. And wasn't she a great teacher? She knows so many songs and great games! And so is Auntie Sue - she loves you guys so much and is always so nice to you. Etc. ETc. Etc. Every single time either of my children mention someone's body type (funny how they never point out a "skinny" person), I make it a point to say "People come in all shapes and sizes" - at least the words are being drilled into their little heads, and I hope it pays dividends eventually. I am divorcing their father, and my boyfriend is fat. My children haven't met him yet, and they won't for quite a while, but when (and if) they do, he'll be yet another warm, wonderful, funny, and gentle person they know who happens to be fat. Unfortunately, the one kid my son really can't stand at school is a girl who is fat. She has emotional problems and she really is hard to take sometimes. Getting my son to separate the person from her appearance has been a struggle, but again, I pull out the "people (mean and nice) come in all shapes and sizes" mantra.
DebraSY January 23rd, 2007 | Link | "A whopping 480 of [those
"A whopping 480 of [those surveyed] never or only sometimes . . ." When does a number start to whop? Is there a scientific whopping point? "Whopping" is a particularly popular word in fat-biased pieces, as in "He weighed a whopping XXX pounds." Pet peeve. Off topic. Thanks for the catharsis.
momto6 January 24th, 2007 | Link | DebraSY, You have me rolling
DebraSY, You have me rolling on the floor laughing, even though it's absolutely true!!
bigactress January 24th, 2007 | Link | Debra. Thanks for the laugh.
Debra. Thanks for the laugh. You're right; People do say that.

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